Steering Committee Minutes re EEGLE/KITES All-Hands Meeting
October 27-30, 1999
Minneapolis, MN


The NSF CoOP Steering Committee was invited to attend the program overview and poster presentations at the Minneapolis EEGLE/KITES all-hands meeting. The Steering Committee met on Saturday and discussed their impressions of the two programs.

Attached are the minutes of the steering committee meeting relating to the all-hands meeting.

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	MINUTES

	CoOP SCIENTIFIC STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING
	October 30, 1999
	Minneapolis, MN

In Attendance were: Bruce Albrecht, Nick Bond, Larry Clark, Jane Hawkey, Susan
Henrichs, Barbara Hickey, Debbie Jahnke, Rick Jahnke, Gail Kineke, Steve
Lohrenz, Sally McIntyre, Billy Moore, Elise Ralph, Mike Roman, Tom Royer, Dave
Schwab, Mary Scranton, Jim Wilczak, John Wickham


EEGLE/KITES DISCUSSION

	On October 29, 1999 we heard summaries on the KITES (Sarah Green) and
	EEGLE (Brian Eadie) projects. After the presentations there were 52
	poster presentations by the EEGLE and KITES investigators. The members
	of the CoOP SSC and outside guests (Sally McIntyre and Mary Scranton)
	reviewed the posters and discussed the results with the authors.

	Our overall impression of results to date from KITES and EEGLE was most
	favorable. The scientific focus and interdisciplinary nature of both
	projects fit well under the overall goals of the CoOP program. The
	knowledge gained on cross-margin transport in Lake Michigan and Lake
	Superior will provide important new insights on coastal ocean
	processes.

	The number and quality of poster presentations by graduate students was
	impressive. One  important legacy of the EEGLE and KITES programs will
	be the graduate students who have conducted their research on high
	quality interdisciplinary research projects in the Great Lakes.

Specific Comments of Program Components:

	Meteorology - Appropriate level of emphasis for both programs. Aspects
	of feedbacks from currents to meteorology innovative.

	Physical Oceanography - Overall most impressive. Keep up the
	interdisciplinary emphasis. Should consider the interaction of internal
	waves with the bottom. Breaking internal waves can resuspend sediments.
	Ground water flows may be important in Lake Superior.

Moorings should have adequate spacing of thermistors to characterize
stratification as well as bottom temperature. It may be possible to use CTD
time-series to identify riverine inputs.

	Geological Oceanography - Generally low (< 10 mg/L) amounts of
	suspended sediments - need to emphasize calibration of total suspended
	solids (TSS) measurements. It also is important to ground truth the
	remote sensing data for turbidity, including the analysis of vertical
	profiles. There was concern about the accuracy of moored sediment trap
	measurements in the relatively high flows. Programs like JGOFS (Rept
	No. 10, 1989) have reviewed many of the pitfalls of sediment trap
	measurements. Several investigators are now using thorium isotopes to
	evaluate sediment trap efficiency.

	Chemical Oceanography - The investigators are encouraged to examine Pb
	inventories in Lake Michigan and Lake Superior. Radon measurements may
	be useful for assessing groundwater inputs. KITES investigators are
	encouraged to contact John Robbins for data on radionuclide
	distributions in Lake Superior. Metabolic rates in sands could be high.
	Low amounts of organic substrate could means fast throughput rather
	than no action. The use of radio-tracers for the dynamics of sediment
	transport is well done. The use of the ROV in Lake Superior for
	retrieving interfacial material is innovative. There has been
	beneficial collaborative research in Lake Michigan on air/sea/sediment
	exchanges of PCBs.

	Biological Oceanography- Where possible,  the same sets of biological
	measurements should be conducted in both EEGLE and KITES. Coordination
	of techniques and synthesis of results will be important. The KITES
	program should consider some continuous measurements of zooplankton
	abundance (acoustics or optical plankton counter) that would be
	synoptic with their physical measurements. It is important to calibrate
	the optical plankton measurements against net tow data.

	Applicable to all disciplines is a word of caution against "program
	creep".  This includes funded research elements that begin to focus on
	disciplinary issues that are not related to the CoOP objectives. The
	highest priority research goals of all parts of the programs should be
	on the interdisciplinary CoOP aspects of KITES and EEGLE.
	Interdisciplinary research goals have priority over disciplinary
	research efforts.

LOGISTICS 

	KITES should consider contacting Mike Helmsley of NDBC to determine if
	the data buoy could be left out later in the fall.

	The CoOP Office will write a letter of thanks to the Coast Guard for
	supporting EEGLE research efforts.

	It would be best for the EEGLE program to use the R/V Lake Guardian at
	the same time as the R/V Laurentian.

	KITES investigators should pursue the advice of other scientists who
	use the Sea Sciences Acrobat (e.g. Harvey Seim (Skidaway); Bill
	Boicourt (Univ of Maryland) to determine if they can easily extend
	their depth of measurements.

DATA MANAGEMENT

	The EEGLE and KITES programs each have a Data Management
	Policy/Database. Both programs should also submit their data to NODC.
	The contact person at NODC should be Michael Ford (301-713-3272, x114;
	Michael.Ford@noaa.gov)

COOPERATION AND SYNTHESIS OF KITES AND EEGLE RESEARCH 

	The CoOP SSC and guests discussed several means of furthering
	cooperation between KITES and EEGLE investigators:

	Joint meetings which include graduate students should be continued.

	An exchange of seminar speakers at KITES/EEGLE institutions is
	encouraged.

	Small data analysis workshops on mutual sub-themes of interest to KITES
	and EEGLE investigators could encourage important synthesis efforts.

	Plan sessions at national meetings for presentations of KITES/EEGLE
	results.

	Plan for special journal volumes (i.e. Continental Shelf Research,
	Progress in Oceanography) and books (i.e. AGU monograph series) on
	KITES/EEGLE results.

	The CoOP Office will send a note to all KITES and EEGLE PIs reminding
	them to send reprints to the CoOP Office.

LESSONS LEARNED FROM GREAT LAKES PROPOSAL PROCESS

	We discussed the effectiveness of the CoOP proposal structure as
	related to the formation of the EEGLE and KITES programs. EEGLE started
	as a large group of scientists and reduced the number of components as
	they developed their research objectives and responded to the reviews
	from the first proposal. KITES was a smaller group of scientists that
	added components that were submitted as individual proposals. Both
	types of proposal efforts should be encouraged. CoOP should continue to
	ask for interdisciplinary group proposals but also allow small groups
	or individuals to submit proposals. The CoOP program must avoid the
	misconception that all disciplines must be included in group
	proposals.